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	<title>Comments on: Yet another reason why I love the Canuck</title>
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		<title>By: Kasia</title>
		<link>http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/2008/07/06/yet-another-reason-why-i-love-the-canuck/#comment-6597</link>
		<dc:creator>Kasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Jul 2008 00:38:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It's "clunis", but since we Cat'licks are children of Abraham too (take THAT, Zionists!), I reserve the right to say "tushie".

I even reserve the right to call someone a "mensch". How d'ya like them apples?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s &#8220;clunis&#8221;, but since we Cat&#8217;licks are children of Abraham too (take THAT, Zionists!), I reserve the right to say &#8220;tushie&#8221;.</p>
<p>I even reserve the right to call someone a &#8220;mensch&#8221;. How d&#8217;ya like them apples?</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Waldman</title>
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		<dc:creator>Joseph Waldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:16:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You can't say "tushie".  That's a derivative of "tuchus", which is All Rights Reserved, The International Learned Elders of Zionist Conspiracy.  Use the Latin for buttcheeks (I forget what it is).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You can&#8217;t say &#8220;tushie&#8221;.  That&#8217;s a derivative of &#8220;tuchus&#8221;, which is All Rights Reserved, The International Learned Elders of Zionist Conspiracy.  Use the Latin for buttcheeks (I forget what it is).</p>
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		<title>By: djrakowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>djrakowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clam, I've knelt on the floor at your parish to receive from your former pastor. He didn't seem to mind ;)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clam, I&#8217;ve knelt on the floor at your parish to receive from your former pastor. He didn&#8217;t seem to mind <img src='http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: Kasia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 18:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJ, I'd be the last one to criticize someone for not yet having mastered Gregorian chant!  :-)

And you know, for your parish's size, you really don't do badly. In fairness, I realize that my parish is much larger than yours, and thus has a larger talent pool from which to draw. That could account for why I'm a bit spoiled re: music.

Besides - you've got us beat all hollow with those prie-dieus at the front -- I LOVE being able to kneel to receive the Eucharist!!!

Every parish has its strengths and its weaknesses.

:-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJ, I&#8217;d be the last one to criticize someone for not yet having mastered Gregorian chant!  <img src='http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>And you know, for your parish&#8217;s size, you really don&#8217;t do badly. In fairness, I realize that my parish is much larger than yours, and thus has a larger talent pool from which to draw. That could account for why I&#8217;m a bit spoiled re: music.</p>
<p>Besides - you&#8217;ve got us beat all hollow with those prie-dieus at the front &#8212; I LOVE being able to kneel to receive the Eucharist!!!</p>
<p>Every parish has its strengths and its weaknesses.</p>
<p> <img src='http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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		<title>By: djrakowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>djrakowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 17:18:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Clam, I couldn't agree with you more re: execution of said songs. I stopped in for confession on Saturday morning while Mass with a Nigerian bishop was wrapping up in the church. I nearly had to confess how I felt about the cantor ... seriously, they couldn't find someone better to accompany a Mass celebrated by a visiting bishop?
Perhaps you shouldn't visit for a TLM. We're rather inexperienced in the difficult art of Gregorian chant, and I'd like to say that our performances have been at least passable, but I know there've been times when it's been far worse than that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Clam, I couldn&#8217;t agree with you more re: execution of said songs. I stopped in for confession on Saturday morning while Mass with a Nigerian bishop was wrapping up in the church. I nearly had to confess how I felt about the cantor &#8230; seriously, they couldn&#8217;t find someone better to accompany a Mass celebrated by a visiting bishop?<br />
Perhaps you shouldn&#8217;t visit for a TLM. We&#8217;re rather inexperienced in the difficult art of Gregorian chant, and I&#8217;d like to say that our performances have been at least passable, but I know there&#8217;ve been times when it&#8217;s been far worse than that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kasia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:29:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jaibee: I'm with you about the patriotic songs in church. I do appreciate the songs, and particularly the faith dimension of them, but "God Bless America" is just not a song I think I should sing at Mass - sorry. It's about America first and God second, IMHO.

TBS: we've debated this before, and while I still think your title for "Here I Am, Lord" is funny, the fact remains that it's rooted in Scripture - Isaiah, right? So if God and Isaiah actually had that conversation, why is it out of bounds for a hymn? It's a little more "me-centered" than I like, in that it focuses a little more on the response than the call itself, but it's far from the worst I've heard. In fact, compared to some, it's downright okay!

DJ: I've heard a few ickies at your parish, but not many; and most of my gripes about music at your parish center less around the choice of songs than they do around the execution of said songs. By and large you guys do OK. The girl with the reedy little voice who always cantors and plays organ at First Friday Mass is competent. The one time she was gone - November, I think - was downright painful.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jaibee: I&#8217;m with you about the patriotic songs in church. I do appreciate the songs, and particularly the faith dimension of them, but &#8220;God Bless America&#8221; is just not a song I think I should sing at Mass - sorry. It&#8217;s about America first and God second, IMHO.</p>
<p>TBS: we&#8217;ve debated this before, and while I still think your title for &#8220;Here I Am, Lord&#8221; is funny, the fact remains that it&#8217;s rooted in Scripture - Isaiah, right? So if God and Isaiah actually had that conversation, why is it out of bounds for a hymn? It&#8217;s a little more &#8220;me-centered&#8221; than I like, in that it focuses a little more on the response than the call itself, but it&#8217;s far from the worst I&#8217;ve heard. In fact, compared to some, it&#8217;s downright okay!</p>
<p>DJ: I&#8217;ve heard a few ickies at your parish, but not many; and most of my gripes about music at your parish center less around the choice of songs than they do around the execution of said songs. By and large you guys do OK. The girl with the reedy little voice who always cantors and plays organ at First Friday Mass is competent. The one time she was gone - November, I think - was downright painful.</p>
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		<title>By: djrakowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>djrakowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 13:16:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can honestly say that I've never heard Haugen/Haas or any of the other aforementioned banalities at my own parish. I remember hearing something with questionable lyrics just once, and I'm sure the organist/music directory was instructed never to play it again. It wasn't quite as bad as "Sing a New Church," but it was definitely Haugen/Haas-ish.
I haven't attended a Novus Ordo Mass since our parish instituted its TLM. Lack of knowledge of Latin hasn't been a problem at all, since the missals include Latin on the left, and English on the right. And there are only two hymns - processional and recessional. The rest of the Mass is chanted, and it's lovely (and I'd say that even if I weren't one of the cantors ;) )</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can honestly say that I&#8217;ve never heard Haugen/Haas or any of the other aforementioned banalities at my own parish. I remember hearing something with questionable lyrics just once, and I&#8217;m sure the organist/music directory was instructed never to play it again. It wasn&#8217;t quite as bad as &#8220;Sing a New Church,&#8221; but it was definitely Haugen/Haas-ish.<br />
I haven&#8217;t attended a Novus Ordo Mass since our parish instituted its TLM. Lack of knowledge of Latin hasn&#8217;t been a problem at all, since the missals include Latin on the left, and English on the right. And there are only two hymns - processional and recessional. The rest of the Mass is chanted, and it&#8217;s lovely (and I&#8217;d say that even if I weren&#8217;t one of the cantors <img src='http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /> )</p>
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		<title>By: The Big Seester</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Big Seester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 00:34:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ask Louis sometime about the McDonald's Mass.  No joke.

Also, I'd like to point out that I'm practically certain that Amazing Grace was written before House of the Rising Sun, whereas Haagen-Dazs were writing around the same time as the Brady Bunch was on the air, so the odds of "sampling" are more likely.  (Of course, Vanilla Ice has cleverly debunked the myth of sampling for us, so clearly we are simply tin ears.)

And even though Amazing Grace is unrelentingly Protestant (it was written by one, after all) it is neither dumbed down nor egocentric.  

OTOH, I ALWAYS refer to "Here I Am Lord" by its Protestant name: Our God is an Indecisive God.  After all, how would he EVER know who to send, unless we pipe up?

TBS</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ask Louis sometime about the McDonald&#8217;s Mass.  No joke.</p>
<p>Also, I&#8217;d like to point out that I&#8217;m practically certain that Amazing Grace was written before House of the Rising Sun, whereas Haagen-Dazs were writing around the same time as the Brady Bunch was on the air, so the odds of &#8220;sampling&#8221; are more likely.  (Of course, Vanilla Ice has cleverly debunked the myth of sampling for us, so clearly we are simply tin ears.)</p>
<p>And even though Amazing Grace is unrelentingly Protestant (it was written by one, after all) it is neither dumbed down nor egocentric.  </p>
<p>OTOH, I ALWAYS refer to &#8220;Here I Am Lord&#8221; by its Protestant name: Our God is an Indecisive God.  After all, how would he EVER know who to send, unless we pipe up?</p>
<p>TBS</p>
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		<title>By: Jaibee</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jaibee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:02:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As long as they don't play too much Gershwin-esque music, I'm okay, usually.  I am not a fan of Gershwin.  Oh!  And I LOVE all the Ode to Joys.  I kinda understand the America the Beautiful and all because it's Independence Day, but really, aren't we the *catholic* church, and not the Church of the United States?  But, I guess it does help to have people hear the songs in their entirety every once in a while to see the plentiful references to God, and to know that, despite popular secular opinion, we were founded as a city on a hill, one nation under &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;God&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt;.  However, as church-going Americans, it is a little like preaching to the choir.  The televised sports would do well to play the entire song....  :)  IMHO.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As long as they don&#8217;t play too much Gershwin-esque music, I&#8217;m okay, usually.  I am not a fan of Gershwin.  Oh!  And I LOVE all the Ode to Joys.  I kinda understand the America the Beautiful and all because it&#8217;s Independence Day, but really, aren&#8217;t we the *catholic* church, and not the Church of the United States?  But, I guess it does help to have people hear the songs in their entirety every once in a while to see the plentiful references to God, and to know that, despite popular secular opinion, we were founded as a city on a hill, one nation under <i><b>God</b></i>.  However, as church-going Americans, it is a little like preaching to the choir.  The televised sports would do well to play the entire song&#8230;.  <img src='http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  IMHO.</p>
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		<title>By: Kasia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:54:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi Alli - glad you de-lurked and spoke up!  :-)

I'm with you about the lyrics of H/H...the music varies from atrocious to decent, but the lyrics are pretty consistently banal. I remember reading something from a chorister whose daughter flat out refused to sing one of their songs because it kept talking ABOUT praising the Lord, but never actually DID it.  :-p  "Here I Am, Lord" isn't that bad lyrically, but so far it seems to be the exception; and it's vastly overplayed, at least at the Masses I attend, so it could be the best hymn ever and I'd still eventually see it as a torture device.

Personally, I love a reverently-celebrated Novus Ordo, no doubt in part because I like worshiping in my native language. (If we could only get a vernacular indult for the TLM...) But you're right, it's not easy to find one that lives up to what the Mass really is. Even if the priest is great, if the music is mediocre...well, you know...and vice versa.

My fiancé lives in a small city in southwestern Ontario. We have been to just about all the Catholic churches in town. Mercifully they just had a big personnel shift as of July 1 - they clustered parishes and closed one - but prior to the personnel shift, it had gotten to the point where I dreaded going to Mass anywhere in town. I'm cautiously optimistic that things may improve now...of course, there's only six months left before the wedding, but I'll take six months over nothing in a heartbeat.  ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Alli - glad you de-lurked and spoke up!  <img src='http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>I&#8217;m with you about the lyrics of H/H&#8230;the music varies from atrocious to decent, but the lyrics are pretty consistently banal. I remember reading something from a chorister whose daughter flat out refused to sing one of their songs because it kept talking ABOUT praising the Lord, but never actually DID it.  :-p  &#8220;Here I Am, Lord&#8221; isn&#8217;t that bad lyrically, but so far it seems to be the exception; and it&#8217;s vastly overplayed, at least at the Masses I attend, so it could be the best hymn ever and I&#8217;d still eventually see it as a torture device.</p>
<p>Personally, I love a reverently-celebrated Novus Ordo, no doubt in part because I like worshiping in my native language. (If we could only get a vernacular indult for the TLM&#8230;) But you&#8217;re right, it&#8217;s not easy to find one that lives up to what the Mass really is. Even if the priest is great, if the music is mediocre&#8230;well, you know&#8230;and vice versa.</p>
<p>My fiancé lives in a small city in southwestern Ontario. We have been to just about all the Catholic churches in town. Mercifully they just had a big personnel shift as of July 1 - they clustered parishes and closed one - but prior to the personnel shift, it had gotten to the point where I dreaded going to Mass anywhere in town. I&#8217;m cautiously optimistic that things may improve now&#8230;of course, there&#8217;s only six months left before the wedding, but I&#8217;ll take six months over nothing in a heartbeat.  <img src='http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /></p>
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