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		<title>By: Jenn in Mo</title>
		<link>http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/2008/09/11/hm-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9454</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenn in Mo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 04:39:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*sigh*

Just the words &quot;Pride and Prejudice&quot; leave me feeling instantly relaxed.  I don&#039;t know if I have gone without sighing at the mentioning of anything Austen for a long time now.  Funny, how it can be such an automatic reaction.</description>
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<p>Just the words &#8220;Pride and Prejudice&#8221; leave me feeling instantly relaxed.  I don&#8217;t know if I have gone without sighing at the mentioning of anything Austen for a long time now.  Funny, how it can be such an automatic reaction.</p>
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		<title>By: Kasia</title>
		<link>http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/2008/09/11/hm-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9348</link>
		<dc:creator>Kasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 00:53:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re certainly allowed your animosity. I just think it&#039;s ill-founded. I have my own animosities toward a few writers, which you would be perfectly free to think ill-founded or ill-judged.

Take Dickens, for instance. Here was a man who came up with perfectly good stories, and then made them at least four times longer than they needed to be. And not even by way of excessive character development! - simply by restating the same thing over and over and over again. How many ways did he say that Marley was dead at the opening of &lt;i&gt;A Christmas Carol&lt;/i&gt;?

Anyway. I do trust that, at least, you will allow that Jane Austen engaged her fellow man (well, probably mostly her fellow woman) to the best of her ability, considering the limitations on women of small means in Georgian society. No way she could have, say, gone into politics - she didn&#039;t even have the right to vote.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re certainly allowed your animosity. I just think it&#8217;s ill-founded. I have my own animosities toward a few writers, which you would be perfectly free to think ill-founded or ill-judged.</p>
<p>Take Dickens, for instance. Here was a man who came up with perfectly good stories, and then made them at least four times longer than they needed to be. And not even by way of excessive character development! &#8211; simply by restating the same thing over and over and over again. How many ways did he say that Marley was dead at the opening of <i>A Christmas Carol</i>?</p>
<p>Anyway. I do trust that, at least, you will allow that Jane Austen engaged her fellow man (well, probably mostly her fellow woman) to the best of her ability, considering the limitations on women of small means in Georgian society. No way she could have, say, gone into politics &#8211; she didn&#8217;t even have the right to vote.</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Waldman</title>
		<link>http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/2008/09/11/hm-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9345</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Waldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 22:20:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Every literate person is allowed one or two animosities.  Austen is mine.

Posit that Lord Beaconsfield actually changed the world, by going into politix and engaging his fellow man, rather than wafting away in the country like so many other Victorian nitwits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Every literate person is allowed one or two animosities.  Austen is mine.</p>
<p>Posit that Lord Beaconsfield actually changed the world, by going into politix and engaging his fellow man, rather than wafting away in the country like so many other Victorian nitwits.</p>
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		<title>By: Kasia</title>
		<link>http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/2008/09/11/hm-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9326</link>
		<dc:creator>Kasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 13:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>JW, just because your mother likes Jane Austen doesn&#039;t automatically make her a bad writer. And just because she had the poor judgment to name you after Austen likewise doesn&#039;t make her a bad writer.

I&#039;ll put Disraeli onto the list, right after &lt;i&gt;Northanger Abbey&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Mansfield Park&lt;/i&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>JW, just because your mother likes Jane Austen doesn&#8217;t automatically make her a bad writer. And just because she had the poor judgment to name you after Austen likewise doesn&#8217;t make her a bad writer.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ll put Disraeli onto the list, right after <i>Northanger Abbey</i> and <i>Mansfield Park</i>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Joseph Waldman</title>
		<link>http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/2008/09/11/hm-2/comment-page-1/#comment-9306</link>
		<dc:creator>Joseph Waldman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Sep 2008 03:47:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>*shudder* Jane Austen . . .

Read you some Benjamin Disraeli, woman.

JW, who resents his middle name</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>*shudder* Jane Austen . . .</p>
<p>Read you some Benjamin Disraeli, woman.</p>
<p>JW, who resents his middle name</p>
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		<title>By: Jill</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hmmm...
I&#039;ve been thinking about the Mr. Darcy thing, Canuck.  I can see some of him in you actually, but also some of Henry Tilney from Northanger Abbey.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmmm&#8230;<br />
I&#8217;ve been thinking about the Mr. Darcy thing, Canuck.  I can see some of him in you actually, but also some of Henry Tilney from Northanger Abbey.</p>
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		<title>By: Kasia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 19:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, they ARE in some ways chick-lit. They&#039;re also quite an insightful look into Georgian English society, which wasn&#039;t exactly liberating for women of any social stratum.

With the caveat that I am decidedly middle-class and probably quite spoiled...  ;-)

One of the things I love so much about P&amp;P, particularly, is how sharply Austen lampoons some of the social norms of her day. And one of the reasons she does so is that Austen herself was painfully aware that in the society she lived in, marriage was really the only &quot;respectable&quot; path for a woman to take, and as it wasn&#039;t &quot;respectable&quot; for upper-class women to work, they had to be somewhat mercenary about their choice or else depend totally on the generosity of relatives and friends. It was an awkward way to live.

But Austen herself was a born romantic who couldn&#039;t bear the thought of marrying for security - she only wanted to marry for love (and as it turned out, never did marry); and her disapproval of the options available to women definitely shines through.

That all said...I can respect your opinion and your co-worker&#039;s both. I just still love the stories.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, they ARE in some ways chick-lit. They&#8217;re also quite an insightful look into Georgian English society, which wasn&#8217;t exactly liberating for women of any social stratum.</p>
<p>With the caveat that I am decidedly middle-class and probably quite spoiled&#8230;  <img src='http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>One of the things I love so much about P&amp;P, particularly, is how sharply Austen lampoons some of the social norms of her day. And one of the reasons she does so is that Austen herself was painfully aware that in the society she lived in, marriage was really the only &#8220;respectable&#8221; path for a woman to take, and as it wasn&#8217;t &#8220;respectable&#8221; for upper-class women to work, they had to be somewhat mercenary about their choice or else depend totally on the generosity of relatives and friends. It was an awkward way to live.</p>
<p>But Austen herself was a born romantic who couldn&#8217;t bear the thought of marrying for security &#8211; she only wanted to marry for love (and as it turned out, never did marry); and her disapproval of the options available to women definitely shines through.</p>
<p>That all said&#8230;I can respect your opinion and your co-worker&#8217;s both. I just still love the stories.  <img src='http://clamrampant.stblogs.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: djrakowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>djrakowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:43:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>oops... just caught a rather embarrassing grammatical mistake. I should&#039;ve written:

She has absolutely no ability to relate to the characters in Austen’s novels, whom she views as spoiled elitists who spend their lives pining and scheming for socially-acceptable men of means.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>oops&#8230; just caught a rather embarrassing grammatical mistake. I should&#8217;ve written:</p>
<p>She has absolutely no ability to relate to the characters in Austen’s novels, whom she views as spoiled elitists who spend their lives pining and scheming for socially-acceptable men of means.</p>
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		<title>By: djrakowski</title>
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		<dc:creator>djrakowski</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:41:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve not been able to force myself to read any more Austen. Aside from the negative experience of reading Northanger Abbey, it&#039;s always struck me as a sophisticated form of chick-lit (forgive me if that&#039;s an insulting term).

One of my co-workers is a rather ordinary middle-aged woman. She&#039;s from working-class roots, served in this nation&#039;s military (something for which I&#039;ve not thanked her enough), and earned a vocational education in general office/secretarial skills. She&#039;s also a divorced mother of one adult son. Now why do I mention all of this? She has absolutely no ability to relate to the characters in Austen&#039;s novels, whom she views as spoiled elitists who spend their lives pining and scheming for a socially-acceptable man of means. And I pretty much share her view - I simply can&#039;t relate to these types of stories.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve not been able to force myself to read any more Austen. Aside from the negative experience of reading Northanger Abbey, it&#8217;s always struck me as a sophisticated form of chick-lit (forgive me if that&#8217;s an insulting term).</p>
<p>One of my co-workers is a rather ordinary middle-aged woman. She&#8217;s from working-class roots, served in this nation&#8217;s military (something for which I&#8217;ve not thanked her enough), and earned a vocational education in general office/secretarial skills. She&#8217;s also a divorced mother of one adult son. Now why do I mention all of this? She has absolutely no ability to relate to the characters in Austen&#8217;s novels, whom she views as spoiled elitists who spend their lives pining and scheming for a socially-acceptable man of means. And I pretty much share her view &#8211; I simply can&#8217;t relate to these types of stories.</p>
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		<title>By: Kasia</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kasia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 18:06:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>DJ, I shared that view of Return of the Native. I absolutely HATED that book.

Have you read any other Austen?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJ, I shared that view of Return of the Native. I absolutely HATED that book.</p>
<p>Have you read any other Austen?</p>
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